Comments on: Global Warming And Growing Grapes http://www.my-grape-vine.com/blog/global-warming-and-growing-grapes/ Who else wants to learn how to grow grapes? This grape growing blog is your free resource to growing grapes. Wed, 15 Sep 2010 15:36:29 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Fritz Quebe http://www.my-grape-vine.com/blog/global-warming-and-growing-grapes/#comment-399 Fritz Quebe Mon, 01 Dec 2008 01:09:05 +0000 http://www.my-grape-vine.com/blog/?p=164#comment-399 Hello Danie, About the apparent Earth warming effect: In South Carolina We had an all time high temperature of 104 deg F plus a severe drought in 2007. This is Warming but is CO2 and water vapor "greenhouse gases" our biggest problem?? Is Water Vapor a Problem or part of the Solution?????????? Can Gambling with Polker Carbon Credits solve this Problem that may have a complex and difficult solution??? Will Carbon Gambling Schemes end up better than the recent Financial Gambling schemes???? If warming is accelrating, what is causing the accelertion?? We need some serious TRUTH, not hype. Why don't we ever talk about the Created Earth (global) "DRYING of the Inner Continents" regions for the last 1000 years.? There is vast historical evidence of this on every continent. Many of you know examples of continental and even polar drying. Drying causes an earth temperature rise and a vicious cycle of more drying etc, etc. Water is the great temperature modulator of the created earth. Drying or dehydration causes or effects a rapid temperature rise because water the most versital & best Intelligently Designed heat transfer fluid known. Water also stores heat very well. Deserts are very hot in the Summer and relatively cold in the Winter due to the lack of water modulation. Most of the carbon organic matter is oxidized out as CO2. Dry land = Hot land in the sun. Moist land = cooler productive land. (That is a big advantage of Danie's grape canopy...cooler soil) Where is vast historical evidence for continental "hinterland" drying for the last 800-1500 years???? Example: In far West Texas/ New Mexico/Mexico Rio Grande region you can hike out into the "desert flats" and find many areas where there are large amounts of Indian pottery and artifacts denoting many old villages. Today this land will not even support a decent population of mice, rats and small rattlesnakes. The temperatures can run to 115degF or more with RH of 5% . Humans cannot settle there today without much Water. The Museums at El Paso TX will tell you that these Indians lived and farmed around shallow lakes until 800 AD to 1200+- AD. There were lakes all around these regions back in the southwestern US and N Mexico. Today it is extremely DRY and HOT except near the few rivers or springs of course. WHY?? 1000 yr DRYIMG. More Examples: the 5000 year old Bristlecone pines have been dying for centuries. and cannot re propogate themselves on this arid barren land. Why??Long term Continental and Polar Drying plus more recent heating from burning and CO2. Many other Examples of long term Continental Drying can be found in North Africa, Afgahnistan, India, China, Gobi desert and the Middle East, etc. etc. (Deserts along the coasts such as in Chile SA are not inner continent drying) Are many Polar regions and some high mountian glacial not getting enough snow because there is not enough GOOD WATER VAPOR for highly reflective snow????? Water Vapor is one of our friends NOT an evil greenhouse gas!! Snow forms very well ar a little below freezing. WATER VAPOR is what the rain and snow cooling comes from. We need more water reservoirs on Earth, not less, in order to cool the Earth. We do not have space for mega lakes. Fritz SC USA Feel free to correct any and all errors and many omissions you find in this letter. Some of you experts should comment on the CO2+H2O + light + sugar cycle and other aspects of the Carbon cycles. Hello Danie,
About the apparent Earth warming effect:
In South Carolina We had an all time high temperature of 104 deg F plus a severe drought in 2007. This is Warming but is CO2 and water vapor “greenhouse gases” our biggest problem?? Is Water Vapor a Problem or part of the Solution?????????? Can Gambling with Polker Carbon Credits solve this Problem that may have a complex and difficult solution??? Will Carbon Gambling Schemes end up better than the recent Financial Gambling schemes???? If warming is accelrating, what is causing the accelertion?? We need some serious TRUTH, not hype.
Why don’t we ever talk about the Created Earth (global) “DRYING of the Inner Continents” regions for the last 1000 years.? There is vast historical evidence of this on every continent. Many of you know examples of continental and even polar drying. Drying causes an earth temperature rise and a vicious cycle of more drying etc, etc. Water is the great temperature modulator of the created earth.
Drying or dehydration causes or effects a rapid temperature rise because water the most versital & best Intelligently Designed heat transfer fluid known. Water also stores heat very well. Deserts are very hot in the Summer and relatively cold in the Winter due to the lack of water modulation. Most of the carbon organic matter is oxidized out as CO2. Dry land = Hot land in the sun. Moist land = cooler productive land. (That is a big advantage of Danie’s grape canopy…cooler soil)
Where is vast historical evidence for continental “hinterland” drying for the last 800-1500 years???? Example: In far West Texas/ New Mexico/Mexico Rio Grande region you can hike out into the “desert flats” and find many areas where there are large amounts of Indian pottery and artifacts denoting many old villages. Today this land will not even support a decent population of mice, rats and small rattlesnakes. The temperatures can run to 115degF or more with RH of 5% . Humans cannot settle there today without much Water. The Museums at El Paso TX will tell you that these Indians lived and farmed around shallow lakes until 800 AD to 1200+- AD. There were lakes all around these regions back in the southwestern US and N Mexico. Today it is extremely DRY and HOT except near the few rivers or springs of course. WHY?? 1000 yr DRYIMG.
More Examples: the 5000 year old Bristlecone pines have been dying for centuries. and cannot re propogate themselves on this arid barren land. Why??Long term Continental and Polar Drying plus more recent heating from burning and CO2.
Many other Examples of long term Continental Drying can be found in North Africa, Afgahnistan, India, China, Gobi desert and the Middle East, etc. etc. (Deserts along the coasts such as in Chile SA are not inner continent drying)
Are many Polar regions and some high mountian glacial not getting enough snow because there is not enough GOOD WATER VAPOR for highly reflective snow????? Water Vapor is one of our friends NOT an evil greenhouse gas!! Snow forms very well ar a little below freezing. WATER VAPOR is what the rain and snow cooling comes from. We need more water reservoirs on Earth, not less, in order to cool the Earth. We do not have space for mega lakes.
Fritz SC USA
Feel free to correct any and all errors and many omissions you find in this letter. Some of you experts should comment on the CO2+H2O + light + sugar cycle and other aspects of the Carbon cycles.

]]> By: Zesar Herwig http://www.my-grape-vine.com/blog/global-warming-and-growing-grapes/#comment-398 Zesar Herwig Sun, 30 Nov 2008 15:08:53 +0000 http://www.my-grape-vine.com/blog/?p=164#comment-398 Hi Danny, Thank you for your mail. concerning the global warming it seems that the weather in summer is becoming hot and too wet in our area (middle of Europe). We are about 550 m above sealevel, so that will mean a lot of trouble with fungus diseases. regards to the other side of earth Hi Danny,
Thank you for your mail.
concerning the global warming it seems that the weather in summer is becoming hot and too wet in our area (middle of Europe). We are about 550 m above sealevel, so that will mean a lot of trouble with fungus diseases.
regards to the other side of earth

]]> By: Jack Swain (Jakeygrape) http://www.my-grape-vine.com/blog/global-warming-and-growing-grapes/#comment-397 Jack Swain (Jakeygrape) Sun, 30 Nov 2008 15:02:20 +0000 http://www.my-grape-vine.com/blog/?p=164#comment-397 Over the last 1 million years there have been 8 or 9 Ice Ages. This means every 100,000 years or so. This also means logically that there have been Global Warmings every 100,000 years or so. I am told that it takes 80.000 years to cool down to an Ice Age and only 20,000 years to warm up again. We happen to be on the way up to the peak of the latest Global Warming when perhaps the likes of Britain will once again have tropical forests as fossils show. Thereafter we will be cooling down again to our next Ice Age. I suppose that, the next time (after this one) that we encounter a Global Warming, this Global Warming that we are in now will not be remembered in the known history of the future human race just like the history of past Global Warmings have been lost in the mists of time. Or maybe if it is remembered then we will get the blame for it despite the fact that it is a natural happening. Over the last 1 million years there have been 8 or 9 Ice Ages. This means every 100,000 years or so. This also means logically that there have been Global Warmings every 100,000 years or so. I am told that it takes 80.000 years to cool down to an Ice Age and only 20,000 years to warm up again. We happen to be on the way up to the peak of the latest Global Warming when perhaps the likes of Britain will once again have tropical forests as fossils show. Thereafter we will be cooling down again to our next Ice Age.

I suppose that, the next time (after this one) that we encounter a Global Warming, this Global Warming that we are in now will not be remembered in the known history of the future human race just like the history of past Global Warmings have been lost in the mists of time. Or maybe if it is remembered then we will get the blame for it despite the fact that it is a natural happening.

]]> By: Ted http://www.my-grape-vine.com/blog/global-warming-and-growing-grapes/#comment-396 Ted Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:59:15 +0000 http://www.my-grape-vine.com/blog/?p=164#comment-396 Global warming is about _average_ temperatures. Variability doesn't change much, so factors like El Nino and La Nina affect weather seasonally. Just having a cooler-than-normal week or season means nothing about global warming. Not even all locations on the globe necessarily see the same or any increase in average temperature. That said, there are plenty of shortcomings in model predictions of climate because so many feedbacks are poorly understood or even not recognized, but the difference there is more "how much warming" than whether or not warming will continue. Oh, and as for the ozone hole, that is really a separate issue from greenhouse gasses. The hole is improving thanks to worldwide action on reducing CFC emissions. Remember when industry said they couldn't do that? Innovation rose to the challenge then and will again to reduce greenhouse gasses. Global warming is about _average_ temperatures. Variability doesn’t change much, so factors like El Nino and La Nina affect weather seasonally. Just having a cooler-than-normal week or season means nothing about global warming. Not even all locations on the globe necessarily see the same or any increase in average temperature. That said, there are plenty of shortcomings in model predictions of climate because so many feedbacks are poorly understood or even not recognized, but the difference there is more “how much warming” than whether or not warming will continue. Oh, and as for the ozone hole, that is really a separate issue from greenhouse gasses. The hole is improving thanks to worldwide action on reducing CFC emissions. Remember when industry said they couldn’t do that? Innovation rose to the challenge then and will again to reduce greenhouse gasses.

]]> By: Edith http://www.my-grape-vine.com/blog/global-warming-and-growing-grapes/#comment-395 Edith Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:57:59 +0000 http://www.my-grape-vine.com/blog/?p=164#comment-395 I live in Scotland and our winters are nowhere near as cold as they were 10 years ago but I think it's a natural climate change probably helped by human activity ,I don't hear any of the world leaders mention all of the atomic bombs that were exploded in the last 50 years maybe that's had something to do with it. I live in Scotland and our winters are nowhere near as cold as they were 10 years ago but I think it’s a natural climate change probably helped by human activity ,I don’t hear any of the world leaders mention all of the atomic bombs that were exploded in the last 50 years maybe that’s had something to do with it.

]]> By: Lori http://www.my-grape-vine.com/blog/global-warming-and-growing-grapes/#comment-394 Lori Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:34:57 +0000 http://www.my-grape-vine.com/blog/?p=164#comment-394 No matter what you think, we must farm based on what the almanac is currently telling us about growing and what the weather is doing at this current nexus. It may be warmer, it may be colder, and I'm sure it fluctuates given the long life of the earth, so be it. None of these issues should warrant such rude responses. All ya gotta say is, I don't agree and instead I think that... blah blah blah. This world wouldn't be nearly so interesting if we were all the same and all believed the same way. So, go bark up other trees!! No matter what you think, we must farm based on what the almanac is currently telling us about growing and what the weather is doing at this current nexus. It may be warmer, it may be colder, and I’m sure it fluctuates given the long life of the earth, so be it. None of these issues should warrant such rude responses. All ya gotta say is, I don’t agree and instead I think that… blah blah blah. This world wouldn’t be nearly so interesting if we were all the same and all believed the same way. So, go bark up other trees!!

]]> By: Joanna http://www.my-grape-vine.com/blog/global-warming-and-growing-grapes/#comment-393 Joanna Sun, 30 Nov 2008 07:06:00 +0000 http://www.my-grape-vine.com/blog/?p=164#comment-393 For billions of years, humans have not been putting outrageous amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere. We've done that in the last couple of hundred years. It would be naive to think that has no effect. For billions of years, humans have not been putting outrageous amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere. We’ve done that in the last couple of hundred years. It would be naive to think that has no effect.

]]> By: Joanna http://www.my-grape-vine.com/blog/global-warming-and-growing-grapes/#comment-392 Joanna Sun, 30 Nov 2008 07:01:07 +0000 http://www.my-grape-vine.com/blog/?p=164#comment-392 Danie, An article in our "local" (60 miles away) paper last spring noted that within twenty years, grape growing in the Willamette Valley, here in Oregon/USA, will no longer be viable, because of climate change. "They" predict that grape growing will move to the coast. Today on the coast we had summer weather and it's almost December. Danie,

An article in our “local” (60 miles away) paper last spring noted that within twenty years, grape growing in the Willamette Valley, here in Oregon/USA, will no longer be viable, because of climate change. “They” predict that grape growing will move to the coast. Today on the coast we had summer weather and it’s almost December.

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]]> By: Satish http://www.my-grape-vine.com/blog/global-warming-and-growing-grapes/#comment-390 Satish Sun, 30 Nov 2008 02:43:51 +0000 http://www.my-grape-vine.com/blog/?p=164#comment-390 Hello Thanks for your mail. It is interesing reading an the comments offered by readers are good. I am 67 years old from India.I have worked about 40 years of my life in the open farm land as a marketing man with a Agri Input Company. Helping farmers to understand the modern farm technologies and bringing the Lab on to the Land.During these yrars more so now I have definately noticed the changes in the climate. The rains were earlier by more than 30 days and we had heavy monsoons. The cold wave which normaly hit the Northern part in Dec has started sometimes around 20th Nov. Yes there is a effect of global warming and it would go a long way to changing Agricultural practices and cropping pattern. Satish Hello
Thanks for your mail. It is interesing reading an the comments offered by readers are good.

I am 67 years old from India.I have worked about 40 years of my life in the open farm land as a marketing man with a Agri Input Company. Helping farmers to understand the modern farm technologies and bringing the Lab on to the Land.During these yrars more so now I have definately noticed the changes in the climate. The rains were earlier by more than 30 days and we had heavy monsoons. The cold wave which normaly hit the Northern part in Dec has started sometimes around 20th Nov. Yes there is a effect of global warming and it would go a long way to changing Agricultural practices and cropping pattern.

Satish

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