Comments on: Niel and Suzana’s Grape Vines http://www.my-grape-vine.com/blog/niel-and-suzanas-grape-vines/ Who else wants to learn how to grow grapes? This grape growing blog is your free resource to growing grapes. Wed, 15 Sep 2010 15:36:29 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: BigMIke http://www.my-grape-vine.com/blog/niel-and-suzanas-grape-vines/#comment-590 BigMIke Tue, 09 Jun 2009 03:39:41 +0000 http://www.my-grape-vine.com/blog/?p=298#comment-590 <strong>BigMIke...</strong> I am So Lucky That I found your blog and great articles. I will come to your blog often for finding new great articles from your blog.I am adding your rss feed in my reader Thank you... BigMIke…

I am So Lucky That I found your blog and great articles. I will come to your blog often for finding new great articles from your blog.I am adding your rss feed in my reader Thank you…

]]> By: Fritz Quebe http://www.my-grape-vine.com/blog/niel-and-suzanas-grape-vines/#comment-589 Fritz Quebe Fri, 01 May 2009 07:32:11 +0000 http://www.my-grape-vine.com/blog/?p=298#comment-589 Hello Danie, Thanks for your interest and reply. I just noticed a reply from you. Sorry for the delay. Danie, I pray that you and your family & workers are well in your beautiful valley. Danie, the agricultural extension agents for N Carolina, S Carolina and Georgia & Isons (www.isons.com) recomend the 20 foot spacing between vines in the row on a single wire 5.5 feet high. This allows each vine to grow 10 feet in each direction. A second lower wire has been used also, but it does not pay, according to testing. I have seen pictures of Muscadine wires that looked like they had a top wire about 7 feet high and another at about 4 feet high. Each cordon canopy on a wire creates a bush about 3 feet wide and 2 feet high, or more. I have seen pictures of the top vine branches touching the ground during a wet season. That is not like a Mediteranian vinyard. We have a warm, humid summer climate here and the Muscadines are what God created for this forest region. They resist fungus and Pierces disease, partly by having more reserverol in the plant. Other grapes do not live long here. Many plants from China Japan and Korea grow well here. The red soil here has very fine flakes of mica (eisenglas) in it similar to where I was stationed in Korea south of Seoul (1970-71). We had a late hard freeze in early March that apparently killed more than half of the grapes I planted in January. I may plant 2 more short (50-75 ft ??) grape rows up the hill on an old terrace this fall, and replant the lower grapes that died. The difference in elevaton is about 5-12 feet. I will use a single or double wire system with the vines that I planted this early year and an over head system on the more level terrace late fall. As I see it the overhead cordons would need to be about 5-7 feet apart or +/- 2 meters to avoid intertwineing of cordon growth. Pruning and picking needs to be efficient. I am sending you a large envelope with some pictures and info. sincerely, Fritz Quebe Hello Danie,
Thanks for your interest and reply. I just noticed a reply from you. Sorry for the delay. Danie, I pray that you and your family & workers are well in your beautiful valley.
Danie, the agricultural extension agents for N Carolina, S Carolina and Georgia & Isons (www.isons.com) recomend the 20 foot spacing between vines in the row on a single wire 5.5 feet high. This allows each vine to grow 10 feet in each direction. A second lower wire has been used also, but it does not pay, according to testing. I have seen pictures of Muscadine wires that looked like they had a top wire about 7 feet high and another at about 4 feet high. Each cordon canopy on a wire creates a bush about 3 feet wide and 2 feet high, or more. I have seen pictures of the top vine branches touching the ground during a wet season. That is not like a Mediteranian vinyard. We have a warm, humid summer climate here and the Muscadines are what God created for this forest region. They resist fungus and Pierces disease, partly by having more reserverol in the plant. Other grapes do not live long here. Many plants from China Japan and Korea grow well here. The red soil here has very fine flakes of mica (eisenglas) in it similar to where I was stationed in Korea south of Seoul (1970-71).
We had a late hard freeze in early March that apparently killed more than half of the grapes I planted in January. I may plant 2 more short (50-75 ft ??) grape rows up the hill on an old terrace this fall, and replant the lower grapes that died. The difference in elevaton is about 5-12 feet.
I will use a single or double wire system with the vines that I planted this early year and an over head system on the more level terrace late fall. As I see it the overhead cordons would need to be about 5-7 feet apart or +/- 2 meters to avoid intertwineing of cordon growth. Pruning and picking needs to be efficient.
I am sending you a large envelope with some pictures and info.
sincerely,
Fritz Quebe

]]> By: Danie http://www.my-grape-vine.com/blog/niel-and-suzanas-grape-vines/#comment-588 Danie Fri, 20 Feb 2009 10:38:41 +0000 http://www.my-grape-vine.com/blog/?p=298#comment-588 Robin, If I understand you correctly; you pruned back the weaker vines to just above the ground? Well, that is exactly what you should have done IF YOUR VINES DIDN'T GROW THAT WELL. So Robin, I think you made the right choice and hopefully your vines will cover the trellis this summer. Good luck Danie Robin,

If I understand you correctly; you pruned back the weaker vines to just above the ground? Well, that is exactly what you should have done IF YOUR VINES DIDN’T GROW THAT WELL.

So Robin, I think you made the right choice and hopefully your vines will cover the trellis this summer.

Good luck
Danie

]]> By: Danie http://www.my-grape-vine.com/blog/niel-and-suzanas-grape-vines/#comment-587 Danie Fri, 20 Feb 2009 10:35:42 +0000 http://www.my-grape-vine.com/blog/?p=298#comment-587 Hi Fritz, May I ask where you got the Muscadine info from. Those planting distances seems a bit too much! LOL Hi Fritz,

May I ask where you got the Muscadine info from. Those planting distances seems a bit too much! LOL

]]> By: Danie http://www.my-grape-vine.com/blog/niel-and-suzanas-grape-vines/#comment-586 Danie Fri, 20 Feb 2009 10:32:08 +0000 http://www.my-grape-vine.com/blog/?p=298#comment-586 Hi Grace, I'm looking forward to your success story and pictures. Keep us updated Hi Grace, I’m looking forward to your success story and pictures. Keep us updated

]]> By: Danie http://www.my-grape-vine.com/blog/niel-and-suzanas-grape-vines/#comment-585 Danie Fri, 20 Feb 2009 10:30:37 +0000 http://www.my-grape-vine.com/blog/?p=298#comment-585 Guillermo, growing grapes commercially in the tropics pose some risk, believe me. The main concern is the fact that disease control is much harder, because of the high humidity and rainfall. Grapes don't like rain! Another problem: dormancy! You grape vines will not go fully dormant, and you will need to force dormancy so the vine can go into "rest" and build up energy for the upcomming harvest. Guillermo, growing grapes commercially in the tropics pose some risk, believe me. The main concern is the fact that disease control is much harder, because of the high humidity and rainfall. Grapes don’t like rain!

Another problem: dormancy! You grape vines will not go fully dormant, and you will need to force dormancy so the vine can go into “rest” and build up energy for the upcomming harvest.

]]> By: Danie http://www.my-grape-vine.com/blog/niel-and-suzanas-grape-vines/#comment-584 Danie Fri, 20 Feb 2009 10:27:49 +0000 http://www.my-grape-vine.com/blog/?p=298#comment-584 Thanks Mohammed, Good advice; proof of what I said is true - thanks again. Danie Thanks Mohammed,

Good advice; proof of what I said is true – thanks again.

Danie

]]> By: Danie http://www.my-grape-vine.com/blog/niel-and-suzanas-grape-vines/#comment-583 Danie Fri, 20 Feb 2009 10:26:20 +0000 http://www.my-grape-vine.com/blog/?p=298#comment-583 Hi Alan, The plans for the trellis Suzana use, is from the Grape Growing System. It is the same trellis I use on my farm. Danie Hi Alan,

The plans for the trellis Suzana use, is from the Grape Growing System. It is the same trellis I use on my farm.

Danie

]]> By: Guillermo Alciso http://www.my-grape-vine.com/blog/niel-and-suzanas-grape-vines/#comment-582 Guillermo Alciso Sat, 14 Feb 2009 07:57:26 +0000 http://www.my-grape-vine.com/blog/?p=298#comment-582 Hi Danie, I would like to ask some information regarding grape growing. I like to start farm business in the Philippines and i want to grow grapes do you think it will grow in the philippines? we have rainy and summer climate. I appreciate very much any iny information you can give me. Regards, Guillermo Alciso Hi Danie,

I would like to ask some information regarding grape growing. I like to start farm business in the Philippines and i want to grow grapes do you think it will grow in the philippines? we have rainy and summer climate. I appreciate very much any iny information you can give me.

Regards,

Guillermo Alciso

]]> By: Dr. Mohammed Ataur Rahman http://www.my-grape-vine.com/blog/niel-and-suzanas-grape-vines/#comment-581 Dr. Mohammed Ataur Rahman Thu, 12 Feb 2009 04:14:13 +0000 http://www.my-grape-vine.com/blog/?p=298#comment-581 Hi Danie, Very nice examples with lessons have impressed me a lot. Regarding high distance, we must consider the breaking of apical dominance, as well as, the distances from the root system since, translocation of photosynthetic products possess inverse relation with the lateral distances. For that reason, the question of die back arises towards the peripharial zones. So, I recommend optimum plant to plant distance should be considered with lateral spreading of roots i.e., root zone sized canopy will be most productive. Regards, Mohammed Hi Danie,

Very nice examples with lessons have impressed me a lot. Regarding high distance, we must consider the breaking of apical dominance, as well as, the distances from the root system since, translocation of photosynthetic products possess inverse relation with the lateral distances. For that reason, the question of die back arises towards the peripharial zones. So, I recommend optimum plant to plant distance should be considered with lateral spreading of roots i.e., root zone sized canopy will be most productive.

Regards,

Mohammed

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