{"id":298,"date":"2009-02-09T23:25:26","date_gmt":"2009-02-09T21:25:26","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.my-grape-vine.com\/blog\/?p=298"},"modified":"2012-09-11T11:35:57","modified_gmt":"2012-09-11T11:35:57","slug":"niel-and-suzanas-grape-vines","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.my-grape-vine.com\/blog\/niel-and-suzanas-grape-vines\/","title":{"rendered":"Niel and Suzana&#8217;s Grape Vines"},"content":{"rendered":"<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p style=\"text-align: left;\">As promised, although a bit later than anticipated, here it is:\u00a0 Niel and Suzana&#8217;s grape vines.<\/p>\n<h2><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">Niel&#8217;s Grape Vine:<\/span><\/h2>\n<p>Niel is from New\u00a0Zealand and is\u00a0a member of the Complete Grape Growing System.\u00a0\u00a0A few\u00a0weeks ago, he send\u00a0this email:<\/p>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: x-small; color: #008000; font-family: Arial;\"><span class=\"753505318-20012009\"><em>Hi Danie<\/em><\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: x-small; color: #008000; font-family: Arial;\"><span class=\"753505318-20012009\"><em>Awesome book!<\/em><\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: x-small; color: #008000; font-family: Arial;\"><span class=\"753505318-20012009\"><em>My section is very narrow so your favourite way to grow grapes , doesn&#8217;t suit my property. So I have grown on four wire structure my fence you see in the pictures run north facing so I get all day sun . I have 3 varieties planted so far, two modern varieties only 2 year from planting they are developing nicely. But the variety I&#8217;m going to show you is very old not sure what it is as I planted it from a cutting. This is now its 3 year from planting. <\/em><\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: x-small; color: #008000; font-family: Arial;\"><span class=\"753505318-20012009\"><em>Questions:<\/em><\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: x-small; color: #008000; font-family: Arial;\"><span class=\"753505318-20012009\"><em>1. I have this vine growing really well from the centre of the vine it extends 7mt in each direction is this too far to produce consistent bunches of grapes ?<\/em><\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: x-small; color: #008000; font-family: Arial;\"><span class=\"753505318-20012009\"><em>2. Because this is a cutting, do the bunches look OK , they don&#8217;t look plentiful with grapes , because this vine is only 3 years is it still too young to produce larger bunches ?<\/em><\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: x-small; color: #008000; font-family: Arial;\"><span class=\"753505318-20012009\"><em>Just need some advice to check I&#8217;m on the right track or will I need to graphed on some new varieties to plant and use current plant as root stock this winter \u00a0?. Thanks Danie<\/em><\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: x-small; color: #008000; font-family: Arial;\"><span class=\"753505318-20012009\"><em>Regards<\/em><\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"http:\/\/www.my-grape-vine.com\/images\/Neil's%20Photo's%20025.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"516\" height=\"406\" \/><\/div>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"http:\/\/www.my-grape-vine.com\/images\/Neil's%20Photo's%20030.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"516\" height=\"338\" \/><\/p>\n<p>First of all I didn&#8217;t upload all the pictures he send me,\u00a0it&#8217;s great looking grape vine Niel got\u00a0there, especially if you take into consideration that it is only 3 years old &#8211; well done!<\/p>\n<p>I can see how he\u00a0adapted the info from the grape growing system, to suite his specific needs and\u00a0to develop the framework of his grape vine.\u00a0\u00a0This is the beauty of the system isn&#8217;t it?\u00a0 It shows you the basics of how it&#8217;s done, that will trigger your own creativity for developing <strong>ANY<\/strong> grape vine, and then take you one step further into becoming a successful grape grower.<\/p>\n<p>To get to Niel&#8217;s questions:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">7 meters (about 23 feet) to each side is quite a long stretch I must admit.\u00a0 Why?\u00a0\u00a0When you start out as new grape growers, you should always keep in mind what the vine will look like in 20 years&#8217; time.\u00a0 Although I think Niel will be fine with the trellis he constructed, this is a mistake so many grape growers make;\u00a0allowing too little space for a properly developed grape vine.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 60px;\">Another problem with growing a grape vine, the size of what Niel is doing in his backyard, is what we grape growers call &#8220;die back&#8221;.\u00a0 A grape vine always tends to produce better\/more shoots at the end of the structure or cordon &#8211; in other words, in Niel&#8217;s case, from about 3 to 7 meters.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 60px;\">When the vines are still young, you will most probably not see symptoms of &#8220;die back&#8221;, but as the vines grow older, and the frame work of the vine gets bigger and more woody, Niel may experience &#8220;die back&#8221; of canes and buds near the stem of the vine.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 60px;\">This isn&#8217;t ideal, because you should always have\u00a0the option\u00a0renewing a arm or cordon, in case something happen to it (cold damage, or diseases ect.).\u00a0 There should be canes and renewal spurs of good quality, close to the main stem of the grape vine<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 60px;\">My\u00a0advice to Niel and if you have a similar situation, is to planting a few more vines so you can keep the structure of the vine closer to the main stem of the grape vine.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">Will Niel&#8217;s vine produce bigger and more grapes in the future?\u00a0 Well, I certainly hope so, though\u00a0I can&#8217;t see any reason why not!\u00a0 Remember, a three year old grape vine is still considered a young vine, so don&#8217;t allow the grape vine to produce a full crop at this age.\u00a0 I know the temptation is big to have a full crop as quickly as possible, but your focus, the first couple years, should be to develop a well balanced grape vine, <strong>with a structure that can support a full crop<\/strong>.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">Niel, thanks for sharing your pictures with us.\u00a0 You&#8217;ve done a great job so far, keep it up!<\/p>\n<h2 style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">Suzana&#8217;s grape vine:<\/span><\/h2>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">Suzana if from Torrence, USA, and has been a member of My Grape Vine since who knows when?\u00a0 She and her husband,\u00a0together with a team of really enthusiastic grape growers\u00a0are taking care of a project to reestablish a vineyard at their church.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">I just love\u00a0getting emails from Suzana (she\u00a0even send me a Christmas card this year!).\u00a0 Last week I received a call on my cellular phone from an &#8220;unknown number&#8221;.\u00a0 Guess what?\u00a0\u00a0On the other end of the line was Suzana!\u00a0 Although the connection wasn&#8217;t that good, we managed to have a very pleasant conversation and we could share some great grape growing info &#8211; it was really a pleasure speaking to this kind lady.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">OK, here&#8217;s a couple of pictures from their project and some emails she send me.\u00a0 I&#8217;ll elaborate a bit more at the end of this post.<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\">Enjoy this lovely project!!<\/p>\n<div style=\"text-align: left;\">11 Dec &#8217;07<\/div>\n<div>\n<div><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: x-small; color: #008000; font-family: Arial;\"><em>I&#8217;m excited to have subscribed to your Program!<\/em><\/span><\/div>\n<div><em><span style=\"color: #008000;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/em><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: x-small; color: #008000; font-family: Arial;\"><em>We,\u00a0 here at xxxxxxxxx Church , are approaching the time when we need to take our cuttings from Dorothy&#8217;s grapevines to have the vineyard start again on church property, after some 40 years.<\/em><\/span><\/div>\n<div><em><span style=\"color: #008000;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/em><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: x-small; color: #008000; font-family: Arial;\"><em>How dormant do the vines need to be to take the cuttings?\u00a0 Do I wait until all leaves have fallen?\u00a0 I&#8217;ve enclosed 2 pictures taken yesterday.\u00a0 Some leaves are still green, others are yellow &amp; orange.\u00a0 The vines on the top of the trellis have less leaves.\u00a0 How will I know when it&#8217;s time to prune and take our cuttings?\u00a0 Also, the vines are all tangled up.<\/em><\/span><\/div>\n<div><em><span style=\"color: #008000;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/em><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: x-small; color: #008000; font-family: Arial;\"><em>Thank you for your guidance.<\/em><\/span><\/div>\n<div><em><span style=\"color: #008000;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/em><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: x-small; color: #008000; font-family: Arial;\"><em>Suzana<\/em><\/span><\/div>\n<div>\n<div><\/div>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: left;\">\n<div><span style=\"font-size: x-small; color: #008000; font-family: Arial;\"><span style=\"font-size: x-small; color: #008000; font-family: Arial;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\"><em>\u00a0<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone\" src=\"http:\/\/www.my-grape-vine.com\/images\/suzana3.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"400\" height=\"300\" \/><\/em><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: x-small; color: #008000; font-family: Arial;\"><em>Hi, Danie,<\/em><\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"color: #008000;\"><em>\u00a0<\/em><\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: x-small; color: #008000; font-family: Arial;\"><em>I wanted to share with you photos of our &#8220;nursery&#8221;.\u00a0 We chose to transplant our sprouted cuttings in May from the collective pots into individual pots instead of a propagation bed, in order to make things easier at the time we plant into the ground with the modified gable trellis for support.\u00a0 It&#8217;s been an ongoing effort to keep those gregarious tendrils apart&#8230;\u00a0 the taller stakes are 6&#8242; tall.<\/em><\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"color: #008000;\"><em>&#8230;<\/em><\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: x-small; color: #008000; font-family: Arial;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;\"><em>I welcome any and all comments you may have.\u00a0 <strong>You are an inspiration<\/strong> &#8212; I&#8217;m so glad I landed on your website when I was first doing my research!<\/em><\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"color: #008000;\"><em><span style=\"font-size: x-small; font-family: Arial;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;\">Blessings, <\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-size: x-small; font-family: Arial;\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;\">Suzana<\/span><\/span><\/em><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>This is awesome results.\u00a0 I&#8217;m so proud of you guys.\u00a0 Anyway, planting the vines in pots is a good idea if you work on a small scale.\u00a0 If you plan a bigger vineyard, go for planting bags or bare root cuttings.\u00a0 Moving around 600 pots per acre is quite a job!<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-size: x-small; color: #008000; font-family: Arial;\"><em><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone\" src=\"http:\/\/www.my-grape-vine.com\/images\/suzana6.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"400\" height=\"533\" \/><\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: x-small; color: #008000; font-family: Arial;\"><em>15 Sep &#8217;08<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: x-small; color: #008000; font-family: Arial;\"><em>Hi, Danie,<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: x-small; font-family: Arial;\"><em><span style=\"color: #008000;\">The vines are in!\u00a0 Hallelujah!\u00a0\u00a0 The holes are 3 feet apart.\u00a0 There is one common wire at the bottom of the trellis V, then 4 wires on each side spaced 8 1\/2 inches apart.\u00a0 We will be using your alternative method for this gable trellis to train our vines.\u00a0 Only a couple of the 34 vines have not quite reached the bottom wire.<\/span><\/em><\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-size: x-small; font-family: Arial;\"><em><span style=\"color: #008000;\">&#8230;<\/span><\/em><\/span><\/div>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: x-small; font-family: Arial;\"><span style=\"color: #008000;\"><em>Blessings, <\/em><em>Suzana<\/em><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>The vines went dormant (most of them, as it seems to have been a relatively mild winter where she live). And this is how she pruned them.<\/p>\n<p>One very important thing to remember (and this is what we spoke about on the phone as well), is to not try to develop the frame work of the vine from lateral canes if they are to weak.\u00a0 Rather prune the vine back to just above the wire where you want the cordon to be and develop it the next growing season.<\/p>\n<p>Suzana did a great job here<\/p>\n<div><\/div>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone\" src=\"http:\/\/www.my-grape-vine.com\/images\/suzana7.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"600\" height=\"258\" \/><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Another question that came up:\u00a0 &#8220;When should I prune back a young grape vine to the ground?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>I explained to Suzana, that if you successfully trained the grape vine and followed the training methods I teach closely, the chances of needing to pruning way back to the ground is almost zero.<\/p>\n<p>You should be able to develop at least one shoot to reach the top cordon wire.<\/p>\n<p>If your young grape vine didn&#8217;t grow well during the past growing season, and didn&#8217;t come close to the support wires, most of the times it is better to prune the young vine back to 3 buds and start over the next growing season.<\/p>\n<p>I hope these pictures and emails gave you some ideas on what can be done if you follow sound grape vine training methods.<\/p>\n<p>Would you also like to become as successful as Niel and Suzana?\u00a0 Then join the Complete Grape Growing System Right now for just $29.\u00a0\u00a0If you are outside the US, you can even pay in your own currency.<\/p>\n<div><\/div>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: Arial;\"><span style=\"font-size: small; font-family: Arial;\"><a rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"http:\/\/www.my-grape-vine.com\/dlg\/sell.php?prodData=cb,11\"><span style=\"font-size: x-small;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter\" src=\"http:\/\/www.my-grape-vine.com\/images\/getnow.gif\" alt=\"\" width=\"250\" height=\"80\" \/><\/span><\/a><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0Thanks for reading and happy grape growing my friend.<\/p>\n<p>Danie<\/p>\n<p><a rel=\"nofollow\" href=\"http:\/\/www.my-grape-vine.com\">www.my-grape-vine.com<\/a><\/p>\n<!-- google_ad_section_end -->","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<!-- google_ad_section_start --><p>As promised, although a bit later than anticipated, here it is:\u00a0 Niel and Suzana&#8217;s grape vines. 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