New to growing grapes?
From the tons of emails I receive at www.my-grape-vine.com, there seems to be many newcomers to growing grapes each year. Most of them struggle with more or less the same problems and ask me the same questions. I’ve been trying to reply to most of them, but surely cannot reply to all – there is just so many hours in a single day.
I’ve made a list of what the problem areas are, when you are new to growing grapes and will briefly discuss each of them over the next couple of weeks. I cannot go into too much detail about each of them, that is why I wrote the Complete Grape Growers Guide off course J. but I will try to shed some light on a few problems areas.
Okay, let’s have a look at what new grape growers find difficult…
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Pruning
It seems like pruning grapes is still the number one headache for new grape growers. The fact that pruning is one of the most important manipulations of growing grapes, and that so many people do not understand or know how to prune grapes, is why so many new grape growers tragically fail. I get the feeling that people don’t realize how important pruning really is!
You must have some sort of structure or plan you follow each year. Most new grape growers just randomly cut off canes to make grape vine smaller – big mistake! What is very important to remember is; a grape vine reacts to the way you prune.
In other words, if you prune for fruit, you will have fruit; but if you prune for shoots, you will have only shoots! The “self-taught pruning methods” of new grape growers are normally “to prune for shoots” and that is in most cases why their grape vines do not produce grapes!
Developing a pruning method or structure, start the very first year of training a grape vine. Without developing the framework of your young grape vine will make pruning much harder in years to come.
We develop what we call cordons or arms, with spurs (short bearers) situated on the arms to be the fruiting zone of our vines. You cannot simply cut canes left and right, and expect your vine to produce grapes – it simply doesn’t work that way. In most cases, if you get your pruning done properly, your grape vines will produce grapes.
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Training
As said earlier, the key to having a productive grape vine starts with training a grape vine from year one. Many new grape growers just plant the grape vine and then expect it to climb to the trellis or arbour by itself. Although sometimes this happens, it is not the ideal way to train a grape vine.
You need to make sure that you train only one training shoot the trellis or arbour – if you prefer to have two main stems one day, then train only two shoots to the trellis. Your vines will reach the trellis or arbour in half the time – I promise. The methods I use and explain in the Complete Grape Growers Guide, get my grape vines to the top of ANY trellis within one year. The second year I develop the framework and then BOOM!!! Tons of grapes! The key is – “Train your grape vine with one goal in mind – to reach the trellis wire in year one!”
- Soil pH
The third most asked question is about the pH of the soil. Strange enough, but so it seems, new grape growers are more concerned about soil pH than about planting the correct variety and training the vines. Don’t get me wrong, soil pH is very important, but just as important is planting a variety that suits your climate, suits your needs and suits your soil type.
To answer the pH question; grape vines can grow in a relative wide range of pH soil. The best pH for growing grapes is slightly acidulous; between 6.0 and 7.2, although you can go as low as 5,5 and as high as 7.8. Soil with a pH outside these ranges are not suitable for growing grapes – or should be corrected first.
Hope this gives the new grape growers some guidance to where they should focus their attention on.
Take care,
Danie
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I have a two year old grape vine that I have pruned heavily both years. Following pruning instructions. The vine covers a huge area each year, but has not produced a grape.
Any ideas?
I have two grape vines that are very old growing in my yard. They were never trained so they grew too enourmous lenghts. One is over 40ft. long and 12ft.from top to bottom and covers our back porch. the other is 20ft. or so and has grown up into the branches of a pomagranit bush. can I cut them back to the bottom of their trunks ? (trunks are 3-4in. around) Both produce huge bunches of grapes that the local bird population seem to love.(both are seedless Thompson, one White the other Red. Thanks!
Danie, I have a green seedless type grape vine and i been doing as you say and i have been getting clusters of graps but there inly about 1 to 2 inches long and the graps are about the size of the o’s in this note. They look like they turn into flowers and then dry up. Dose that mean there not getting polanated or is it something else?I only have 1 vine and it’s on a trelles that i made out of rebar and steel wire. What am i not doing right? Sam
Danie, one more question about pruning. I have vines on a 2 wire trellis. Last year the vine (which was not pruned well) had over 150..closer to 200 grape bunches. It is a Concord and the vine is very healthy. But, the bunches were small. I juice my grapes so am not concerned with beauty, size, etc. I did get about 50 pounds of grapes off the vine though. My cordons are from 10 to 15 feet long with probably 20 to 25 buds each. Am I right in assuming that I should prune each of the 4 cordons to about 7 buds length and then from each of the 7 buds to a short cane of 2 to 3 buds? That would be 4X7X2=56 total buds. Sorry for being such a dummy. I am in your Coaching program and am learning soooooo much. Thank you
I have 8 yr old vines that have not been pruned correctly. Is there a proper way to get back to where I should have been? Will it work to do massive pruning to get rid of a lot of excess vinage?
Hi Terry,
Whenever I suggest to hard prune a vine, grape growers seems to be affraid to do so. The ONLY way to really get your vine in shape again to do “massive pruning”.
Hi Danie, I started my grapes from 2 local cuttings, both from 2 garden vines from diferent houses. one a back the other a white. the originals are long gone with diferent house owners. The white came first and I fought with it for a few years in my garden. I got it right two years ago and made a gallon of white wine that has only just disapeared. realy good. The last two summers in Britain have been bad, with wind rain and frost at the wrong time not producing enough on my single vine to ferment. I have planted out some 70 cuttings, 3/4 W. 1/4 B. which are in their first & second years, the Vines look good and pruned to a single stem. My quiery is if I wanted to find out the varieties how would I do it? thanks for all your help to us vine heads. Barry, Norfolk, UK
Barry,
It’s called Ampelography. It is the study concerned with the identification and classification of grapevines. Traditionally this has been done by comparing the shape and colour of the vine leaves and grape berries, more recently the study of vines has been revolutionised by DNA fingerprinting.
The problem is, there are so many different varieties, that only an expert in this field can do this. Not even I can identify all the varieties – this is a very specialised field!
hi,
Please give me some information about cultural practices for crimson seedless. How can I get quality crimson seedless table grapes?
Thank you for all the information you have given me.I look forward to your E mails and am never disapointed
Thanks Val,
Glad you like it 😉
Danie,
I live in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia and has few grapes plant. There are a few varieties that is suitable and bear fruits here. I have planted a thompson seedless a few years ago and has trouble to make it bear fruits. Do you have any suggestion? I have tried cane prunning technigue but it didnot work on my vine.
Dol malek
Kuala Lumpur Malaysia
Hi Dol,
Thompson Seedless must be cane pruned to produce grapes. It is a tricky variety to grow, no doubt!
Remember Dol, if you vines grow too vigorous, it could also lead to unfruitfulness.
How many buds did you prune your canes to?
useful information for the grape growers please keep sending messages
Hi Srinivas
Will do … 😉
Hi Danie,
This article in your blog is really useful for me as a new grower. However, what is the best type of grape suitable for planting in tropical climate?
regards,
Saifuddin.
Hi Saifuddin,
This is a tricky one – it depends on what is available where you live. There are so many varieties out there. I would suggest you look at a variety that is not susceptible to downy and powdery mildew, which will be your biggest challenge in the tropics.
I will try to cover this in a future blog.
Thanks for all of your professional help. knowlrdge is success.
Hi Dennis,
Thanks for the kind words – glad you like it
Hi,
I have a quick question. Do you grow table grapes and wine grapes? Is your process different for one or the other?
Thanks,
Drake
Hi Drake,
The area where I live is a table grape area or should I say 95% of the grapes grown here is table grapes.
There are a few differences like the trellis systems, the crop loads and some summer treatments – but the training, pruning, development of the frame work, disease control and so on is exactly the same.
Please give me (us) some instruction about watering vines. How much water should be given vines that are several years old?
Hi Jack,
Will cover this as well
what kind of fertilizer do i use and how much? i just planted my vines this past june.
Hi Bill,
This is one of the questions I cover in the “new to growing grapes” posts. Just hang on … 🙂
Danie
Can you speak about grafting on old root-stock? I am in Canada and have a few Labrusca grape vines, about ten years old. This native American variety is not a choice table grape and makes terrible wine but, reputedly, good jelly. I would like, if I can, to graft one of the better cold-tolerant hybrids. Any advice and tips you can give would be much appreciated. (I have not grafted before).
Eric
Eric I will cover this in a future blog